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Strife17 · Jan 22, 2009, 11:49 PM // 23:49

i also hear roj scatters combined with arcane echo.

when you cast roj without arcane, mobs don't shatter.

but finally i can UWSC without having a perma sin or necro...

Good job!

Lishy · Jan 23, 2009, 12:52 AM // 00:52

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Originally Posted by Zodiac Meteor

you know that a-net will see this and

That's what I'm worried about....
Trying to get my monk through nightfall as fast as I can so that I could start 600 smiting.

_Nihilist_ · Jan 23, 2009, 02:56 AM // 02:56

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Originally Posted by Karoli

If RoJ causes scatter in HM, would you mind explaining how we didn't get any scatter with two RoJs hitting at the same time? Either it doesn't cause scatter or I'm pro at bodyblocking. I'm willing to eat my words, but I generally block foes against walls when I vale, for paranoias sake.

<3 Chokey

Quote:

Originally Posted by Strife17

i also hear roj scatters combined with arcane echo.

when you cast roj without arcane, mobs don't shatter.

but finally i can UWSC without having a perma sin or necro...

Good job!

A few points about why they might have scattered...

1) Hard Mode

2) The Teambuild I was testing used 2 PermaSins and 6 RoJ Smiters all using [Arcane Mimicry][Arcane Echo][Ray of [email protected]]["By Ural's Hammer!]

One RoJ generally didn't cause scatter, but a 2nd or 3rd usually broke aggro.

Chokey · Jan 23, 2009, 07:45 AM // 07:45

The first group of aatxe (on the right as you leave the spawn point) I usually don't block. On the runs we've done, 2 RoJs haven't done a thing to them besides kill them. I'll try to remember to take a screenshot on our next run. And then I'll try it without bodyblocking them,for all you sceptics.

Spiritz · Jan 23, 2009, 03:02 PM // 15:02

Im not doubting u - u kno me , but its stated and backed up that any aoe in hm scatters as anet updated hm ai ages back .hell even sliver can cause scatter an i never knu that was classed as aoe.
Rarely do i see non scatter in hm - few times on raptor runs when goofed an mobbed in the open and somehow no1 ran from sliver.
From what i recall the hm ai tends to scatter under 2 circumstances - most aoe in fast bursts - say 3x aftershock .... but they also can scatter when hp drops a set % .
Could be a case of they not getting time to split from low hp an dying fast or another unknown element.
May also be a case they were too thick to move - makes a change from too clever ( like foes off radar deciding to come and find you no matter what and chasing you - no wait karoli stuck a damn kill me ! sign on my back again )

Chokey · Jan 23, 2009, 08:07 PM // 20:07

^ When foes run from sliver,its because their health is dropping and they move away to regen.

Spiritz · Jan 24, 2009, 01:04 AM // 01:04

Just checked Roj on wiki and i have the reason for karolis statement of it not causing spread -
Wiki states it has a bug
The AI does not recognize this as an area of effect, damage over time spell.

Now do they mean its a constant bug or one of the once in a while bugs ?
So it cud be 50/50 if u get the bug or not and karoli is a lucky bugger :P

Chokey · Jan 24, 2009, 08:29 AM // 08:29

From what I've noticed,it seems to be all the time. We often use RoJ on our vanquishes and such,and we haven't seen scatter from it.

Giulz · Jan 24, 2009, 09:59 AM // 09:59

Looks very promising (:

Will Give me a change from the Mo/A pits build (;

The only problem I'm finding is no-one is accepting me in Pugs. They're like NO N/RT NO PLAY HF GL.

Meh...

bungusmaximus · Jan 26, 2009, 03:49 PM // 15:49

RoJ is bugged and doesn't cause scatter, not in HM as well. When anet finds out and nerfs RoJ will be a lot less fun. [earthen shackles] say hi.

Chokey · Jan 26, 2009, 06:10 PM // 18:10

That could work. Or you could just use a terra vale with [grasping earth] or [ward against melee].

Syn² · Jan 29, 2009, 05:33 PM // 17:33

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Originally Posted by Kellandersen

A video of the run would be very helpfull for us monks who has never done UWSC before. Anyway thx for build.

/agree

... or anybodies can show us a IG tutorial of the vale's team only =D ? Yes ? No ? No ?

Chokey · Jan 29, 2009, 08:16 PM // 20:16

^ I'd be willing to show you in game. Just don't expect to spectate,I'll be telling you what to do and whatnot,of course it all depends on whether I can find a Chamber sin or not.

Syn² · Jan 29, 2009, 08:34 PM // 20:34

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Originally Posted by Karoli

^ I'd be willing to show you in game. Just don't expect to spectate,I'll be telling you what to do and whatnot,of course it all depends on whether I can find a Chamber sin or not.

it's a'ight for me

... if you find your chamber~~

Lourens · Feb 15, 2009, 08:07 PM // 20:07

[Web of disruption][Echo][Cry of Pain][Arcane Echo]>[Arcane Echo][Ray of judgment] all times

Tony Malketh · Feb 25, 2009, 10:47 AM // 10:47

whats hard about running an roj build in uw? the vale sin pings a target and u kill it. easy. btw, if u want some decent builds id suggest pugging uw more cos the last build i saw on this forum had heal (wasted slots, the sin doesn't need any extra heal) and generally too litle damage, smite condition etc. but to summarise, go pug. any decent vale sin will force u to take a decent build

TheodenKing · Feb 25, 2009, 04:04 PM // 16:04

Scatter? Isn't that what snares/kd are for?

Osi Ri S · Feb 25, 2009, 09:42 PM // 21:42

how is this build comparable to the N/Rt in terms of speed and safety? (assuming youre running with the average vale pug sin) The build seems much easier to use so it would be more noob friendly.

D A R K S O I F O N · Mar 05, 2009, 11:01 PM // 23:01

what is the team build if u where 2 run uw roj way. Im still use to the simple 55 monk with the ss necro and that still works well. Anyone know the builds?

cellardweller · Mar 06, 2009, 03:56 AM // 03:56

There are 2 types of ai scatter:

One is caused by pusling aoe's such as firestorm. In these cases the ai moves away from the center of the pulse and as such it very difficult to bodyblock these. Both melee and ranged ai are affected by this scatter. Despite being a pulsing aoe, RoJ does not cause this scatter which is its greatest pve strength and the reason that rayway works so well with a human bodyblocker.

The other is caused by having more than 3 melee creatures at low health. When this triggers, the ai will try to move away in a clockwise spiral which is easy to bodyblock. Ranged creatures do not exhibit this behaviour. This effect you're seeing with RoJ, and it has nothing to do with it being a pulsing aoe (other than the fact that its bringing multiple creatures to low health simultaneously).